Monday, October 13, 2008

Everyone needs to watch This!

Everyone needs to watch this! This is what happens when your government fails you!



Another Must see video, courtesy of one of our contributors;



Posted by Atkinson Reporter at 8:47 AM
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1 comment:

Atkinson Reporter said...

Anonymous said...

Everyone should see this too!!!
October 3, 2008 10:03 AM
Anonymous said...

Click here for some real double talk.
October 3, 2008 10:12 AM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

Did you know the propaganda you posted comes from a website that, among other things, accuses Sen. Obama of being a racist and a communist? Shame on you!!!
October 3, 2008 10:35 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Obama is a work of art, god help this country if he gets elected. How can anyone think of electing a person whom does not cover his hart during the national anthem? That act of shitting on all who have died for this country is horrible. I can't believe the american people have put him this far into the presidental race.

This movie on how dems have said there was no problem is disturbing beyond belief. They are idiots. I'm sure they are not saying those things now. Disgracefull.
October 3, 2008 11:52 AM
Anonymous said...

Racest? If anything , the average african american voting for Obama is most likely voting for him because he is black.
October 3, 2008 12:05 PM
MAcciard said...

Shame on ME??? Why???

I get home and check the blog, and I see a new article, with a great video, and I see that I am being shamed for what, exactly? Please tell me what I have done? Did I post this video, which I agree with, by the way? And from watching the video clip, it appears to be from YouTube, I dont know quite how YouTube is racist, but if you say so, ok, proceed to prove it.
October 3, 2008 2:20 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark, my bad. I thought you were the only one who could post new topics to the blog. AF, get your facts straight! You are an idiot if you think you can pin this solely on the democrats.

As for the Star Spangled Banner reference, if you look closely at the video, he is singing it while ot is being sung (horribly, I might add.) He has stated that his grandfather told him that you put your habd over your heart for the pledge of allegiance and you sing during the Star Spangled Banner.

Please show me a reference that REQUIRES you to put your hand over your heart while it is performed.

And please explain this.
October 3, 2008 2:59 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

By the way, I did not say YouTube was racist. The above video's channel, NakedEmperorNews, and is filled with distorted right wing propaganda. The channel I posted from (bravenewfilms) is unapologetically to the left, but hey, at least I'm telling you.

Just consider the source, when the post is "Everyone NEEDS to watch this."
October 3, 2008 4:29 PM
Anonymous said...

One more interesting link to view. Do you still want to blame the dems for this?
October 3, 2008 4:48 PM
Anonymous said...

Why are people so stupid as to think one person or one party is responsible for all the bad or all the good?

When the elected officials vote, they all get their say, and the majority gets their way in military spending, taxes, education and the rest of it.
October 3, 2008 7:56 PM
Anonymous said...

It's ok for blacks to be racist but not whites. It's ok for men to lead but not women. We live in a prejudiced society even now.
October 3, 2008 7:58 PM
Anonymous said...

Hey atkinson-factor;

You're very ignorant. Here's a few facts for you.

You mistake someone putting their hand over their heart for "shitting on all who have died for their country." This is the level of political literacy you have? Sad.

Let's take a look at who really shits on those that serve the country.

When the troops needed up-armored Humvees and were dying in droves in Iraq, who said they were doing the best they could to get all the up-armored kits they could, even as US troops were welding scrap-metal to their Humvees?

A Republican.

Oops. Then they found out that the manufacturer had never been asked if they could manufacture more, and the guy said that he could add two more shifts and make triple the amount IF ASKED.

Who was responsible for pushing for the funding and making the Pentagon accept new MRAP vehicles that could absorb the blow of an IED? Democrats.

Who sat by quietly while a full service veterans hospital was stripped from NH, leaving it the ONLY state in the US without one.

Republicans (Bass, Sununu, Gregg, etc.)

Who is pushing for a full service veterans hospital to return to NH and has filed legislation to do it?

Democrats (Shea-Porter and Hodes)

Who was responsible for the fiasco at Walter Reed?

Republicans.

Who finally funded the VA to the level it needed to offer adequate services to our heroes?

A Democratic Congress.

Who fought AGAINST the New GI Bill which gave stronger college benefits to returning Iraq and Afghanistan veterans?

Republicans (McCain specifically)

Who passed the legislation offering these valuable benefits to our returning heroes?

Democrats.

atkinson-factor, why don't you learn what the hell you're talking about before you shoot off your ignorant mouth.

And why don't you pretend you're a good citizen of Atkinson by realizing you should shut up about divisive partisan issues, especially when you don't know what the hell you're talking about, so that we can pretend to have some unity here and fix the issues in Atkinson. Are you stupid, or just ignorant? Put the reform this town needs above your own needs to prove yourself to be politically illiterate.
October 3, 2008 11:04 PM
Fishgutz said...

The simple truth is that under Carter, the rules were changed for everything. Any neutral standard that had a disparate impact on minorities was determined to be proof of deliberate discrimination.
This was applied from employment to banking.
Mortgage companies were told they could not use ability to pay as a criteria because it had a disproportional effect on minorities. Rather than admit that LBJ's "Great Society" programs impoverished the black community and kept them dependent, Carter forced banks to lend money to people that could nit pay it back. As a consolation, they whispered in the ears of the banks and said don't worry, when they can't pay, we'll buy the debt from you.
In the last decade, every effort to cap taxpayer liability was blocked by Democrats. And anyone who dare try to bring sanity back to banking was called a racist.
And for what it is worth, BO is a racist.
October 3, 2008 11:15 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

To last poster whom needs to call me ignorant. I will not respect anyone who does not honor fallen americans in war. Obama should put his own beliefs aside and hold his hand over his hart. That is ignorant?
October 4, 2008 8:11 AM
Anonymous said...

FIshgutz, weren't you the guy who, in a previous topic about renovating the special needs class room at Timberlane Regional HS said "Life skills for tards?"

I've read some of your hate-filled, right wing blogs and was particularly disgusted with the May 20 topic "Finally we will be rid of Ted" with this gem: "I would never wish cancer on anyone. However I must confess that I don;t not feel one bit of sorrow or sympathy of Fat Ted's cancer diagnosis." WOW! By the way, your use of the double negative don't not feel sympathy technically means you DO feel sympathy.

So, I ask my fellow readers of this blog; when you read statements such as:

"In the last decade, every effort to cap taxpayer liability was blocked by Democrats. And anyone who dare try to bring sanity back to banking was called a racist.
And for what it is worth, BO is a racist."

Consider the source folks, consider the source.
October 4, 2008 8:25 AM
Anonymous said...

AF, I posted a link to a picture of George HW Bush NOT holding his hand over his heart while the national anthem was playing. So do you feel the same way about him as you do about Obama? I would be very interested to get your response to this.
October 4, 2008 8:30 AM
Anonymous said...

8:30;

These fools don't operate on facts, they cower from them because facts destroy their simple minded view of the world. Look at how AF ignored the details of the post that destroyed his argument. They get their opinions from other pinheads like O'Reilly that, who ironically disgraced himself by mocking the issue of 200,000 homeless veterans in the US every year; that they are hypocrites is demonstrated that I guarantee neither was bothered by that idiotic and disgraceful rant. It's intellectul cowardice run amok here when these pinheads spout off in a partisan rant. They should keep their ignorance to themselves and stop dividing this forum over this nonsense, or limit it to somewhere else

Fishheadz is just an idiot who I just ignore at this point as mentally defective, don't waste your time...
October 4, 2008 9:05 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

As for the picture you posted, i am very sceptical on what context this picture is derived from. I do know that Mr Bush senior wouldn't make the habit of not holding ones hand over his hart Every time the anthem is played. Everytime? Im sorry but the picture you posted was probably at the end of the anthem or right before the anthem was played, that photo does not say Mr Bush sr pulls an "Obama" Every Time the anthem is played . That I can assure you. I can also assure you that Obama does it every time the anthem is played.
October 4, 2008 9:52 AM
Anonymous said...

AF says: I can also assure you that Obama does it every time the anthem is played.

AF, if you can present me definitive proof that Obama NEVER puts his hand over his heart when the national anthem is played, then you have my word, I will not vote for him.

To quote Mark, "so, OK, proceed to prove it."
October 4, 2008 10:23 AM
Anonymous said...

AF, for contextual clarification, here is the AP caption from the photo link of George HW Bush:

Former U.S. President George Bush, center, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell, left, and retired General Norman Schwarzkopf, right, stand at attention during the playing of the National Anthem Monday, Feb. 26, 2001, at the American Embassy in Kuwait at the ceremony marking the 10th anniversary of the liberation of Kuwait. (AP Photo/Gustavo Ferrari)

So I guess by your own definition, like Sen. Obama, he is also unpatriotic. Keep posting buddy, it's only making you look more foolish!

Can you say "grasping at straws?"
October 4, 2008 10:29 AM
tim dziechowski said...

Anonymous@2:59PM wrote:

"Please show me a reference that REQUIRES you to put your hand over your heart while it is performed."

The Star Spangled Banner became the national anthem by act of congress in 1931. Here is the enabling law:

TITLE 36—PATRIOTIC AND NATIONAL OBSERVANCES, CEREMONIES, AND ORGANIZATIONS
Subtitle I—Patriotic and National Observances and Ceremonies
Part A—Observances and Ceremonies
CHAPTER 3—NATIONAL ANTHEM, MOTTO, FLORAL EMBLEM, MARCH, AND TREE
§ 301. National anthem
(a) Designation.— The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing.— During a rendition of the national anthem—
(1) when the flag is displayed—
(A) all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart;
(B) men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold the headdress at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and
(C) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; and
(2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

The law does not state any penalties for noncompliance. Also, note the use of the word "should" instead of "must" throughout. The intent seems to be to define a protocol. In a free country, "oughta" is better than "gotta".
October 4, 2008 10:50 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Ok then, there is no law saying you have to hold your hand over your hart...but it shows respect. Respect to fallen americans who died for your right to be free americans. So your saying im an idiot for believing this? Im an idiot for believing that obama should doing this? Obama, whom wants to be the leader of america, Leader of all the armed forces, not showing respect to the flag by a simple act? He should be the first to do so.
October 4, 2008 11:00 AM
MAcciard said...

While I understand both sides of the argument, I must agree somewhat with AF.

For me, When the National Anthem Plays I face the nearest flag, stand at attention and place my right hand over my heart. It would improper to salute as I am no longer in uniform.

But I dont think the issue here is what everyone should or should not be doing, I think the issue is that if you are running for the ob of Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces, you should be taking every possible opportunity to show your Patriotism, Love of Country, and Respect for those who have worn the uniform and fought for the priveleges you enjoy.

It is a basic issue of respect. It is not REQUIRED by LAW, But Just because something is not technically illegal, doesn't mean it should be done.
October 4, 2008 11:12 AM
Anonymous said...

AF, you've made a bizarre jump in your logic from seeing a picture of Sen. Obama not holding his hand over his heart during the playing of the National Anthem to him having to "put aside his beliefs" (I hesitate to ask, but can you further explain this statement?) to you stating that he does this ALL OF THE TIME. So while you may not be an idiot, in this case, your logic is idiotic.

I'm still waiting for your proof.

BTW, you would be interested to read this:

Experts on the national anthem say the law seems a bit out of date, given its reference to a man's "headdress." Yet it's still cited in several military manuals found on the Web.

Modern custom does not require a hand over the heart, said Anne Garside, director of communication for the Maryland Historical Society, home of the original manuscript of The Star-Spangled Banner.

"I think the bottom line is that you show respect with your demeanor," she said. "Whether you put your hand over your heart, hold your hat at shoulder level or waist level, is really in this day and age irrelevant."

You know, despite the fact that our country has some serious, serious issues that the current administration has caused, it is mind blowing to me how these hot button, emotional issues are used to sway voters. Who cares about facts when the Godless, liberal elite won't put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem?!

To me, it is almost a crime to witness the way the right manipulates middle and lower-class citizens using religion and patriotism while, at the same time, giving huge tax breaks to the rich in hopes that it "trickles" down to you.

Here is Webster's definition of trickle:

1 a: to issue or fall in drops b: to flow in a thin gentle stream2 a: to move or go one by one or little by little.

In other words, in a trickle down economy even if it gets to you, it ain't gonna be much! However, if we, the people, need to bailout the banks for their greed (which, in my opinion, we have no choice at this point,) what little that was given to us, was just taken away. But hey, at least we still have our guns and Jesus! ;-)
October 4, 2008 11:36 AM
MAcciard said...

To Anon @ 11:36am

you said:

To me, it is almost a crime to witness the way the right manipulates middle and lower-class citizens using religion and patriotism while, at the same time, giving huge tax breaks to the rich in hopes that it "trickles" down to you.

Explain to me how the Federal Government can possibly give a "tax break" to the poor?

Also given the fact that the top 10% of income earners pay 55% of the total income taxes paid, by definition any reduction in rates is going to affect them the most.

I am appalled at the way the left uses Class envy, and Class warfare rhetoric to manipulate the uneducated, while enslaving the poor by keeping them dependent upon governmental largess for their money, while at the same time doing absolutely nothing to help them become self sufficient.
October 4, 2008 1:58 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark, everytime you post in here defending your arch conservative views, you're losing respect that you earned struggling against this town. The coalition of people that has been built here, around the issue of fixing town government, is being weakened everytime this happens.

Did your hear that Atkinson-Factor? You're partisan crap is hurting the efforts to clean this town up. How patriot are you if you put your partisan rants above the good of the town?

And Mark, both of you crowing about "patriotism" looks especially EMPTY-HEADED considering the fact that Bush and the Republican Congress of 2000-2006 had a HORRIBLE record regarding caring for veterans.

Here, I'll make it easy for you; which is worse?

1)Showing your respect for the national anthem by singing it instead of putting your hand over your heart, or...

2)President Bush trying to cut funding for veterans homes in his 2005 budget proposal by $253 million, the intentional underfunding of the VA in 2005 by $1.5 BILLION, or the fact that it took Democrats to pass a law keeping the Pentagon from suing to recover enlistment bonuses from troops that were wounded in the field?

Oh, sorry Mark, AF, and Fishtwit, I must have missed the rants you wrote about THOSE things.

Oh, that's right, you were SILENT when those things happened because the people responsible for doing them was your own group of supposed "patriotic" HYPOCRITES, and you'll stay silent when your chosen political party SCREWS VETERANS!

What a bunch of mealy-mouthed hypocrites...
October 4, 2008 2:46 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Last anon...
What does our debate on the National anthem have to do with anything you are ranting about? Just because i don't agree with Obama's way , I'm not telling you to vote for someone else. Im not Blaming the worlds bad time on the Democrats, (But i must say the ones in this video are not doing the democrats any good, or any of us anyway.) I am just pointing out the respect for the Flag, or lack of in this case. Sticks and stones, and say what you will, this is a blog, and my opinion is just that. And just because i don't agree with you, you call me an idiot?
October 4, 2008 8:43 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Oh, and another thing, McCain is the last one on earth to "screw Veterans". So you might want to consider voting for him.
October 4, 2008 8:46 PM
Anonymous said...

The blog has sunk to a new low when national news,pundits and politcal hogwash is occuping our time.

I thought the purpose was to expose the leaders of our town for not being open and honest. Some items and events would be interesting also. A run down of the meetings that are coming up would be helpful.Our coverage on Channel 20 is dismal as is the Town Website. Minutes from most boards get posted whenever some one gets around to it or not at
all. There is plenty to do right here in our town.



This does not mean we are not interested in the National Elections or we are being unpatriotic.The old adage that you can not argue Religion or Politics is as true as it ever was.

I am giving up on the blog but will check in once in a while to see if things change for the better. Good Luck.
October 4, 2008 9:01 PM
MAcciard said...

To anon @ 2:46

Ok, you lost me, You will have to explain to me how asking a question about taxes, represents "arch conservative views", and also how having views of any kind are wrong, this IS still a free country, and we all have the right to any views we wish. But when those views are challenged we should be able to defend them, that is where our views get refined, and either withstand the challenge, or fall.

If you would care to continue this debate, just answer my original posed question;

Explain to me how the Federal Government can possibly give a "tax break" to the poor?
October 4, 2008 11:32 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

I'll answer that question (and I DO have an answer for it) as soon as AF gives he his proof that he "can also assure you that Obama does it every time the anthem is played."
October 5, 2008 4:44 PM
Anonymous said...

Although I dont have a link, I remember obama taking a lot of flack for the first 6 mos. or so of his campaign, because he refused to wear a flag lapel pin, and put his hand over his heart during the playing of the national anthem.

In the last 9-10 mos or so, he has begun to do both. But previously it did make news, I just can't find a link to it.
October 5, 2008 7:07 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. -- United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171


Turns out that not wearing a flag lapel pin isn't the only way Barack Obama chooses to show he's a different kind of Democrat.

Have a look at the photo from the October 1, 2007 edition of "Time." It shows Obama, Hillary and Bill Richardson at the Steak Fry of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) on September 17 in Indianola, IA during [according to the photo caption] the National Anthem. Richardson and Clinton have their hands on their heart. But not Obama. Does he perhaps believe that, like wearing the flag pin, the hand on the heart isn't "true patriotism"?

this is a copy and paste...Video is on the Atkinson-Factor. view the Class act for yourself. Also ANON, have you heard your obama has been linked to a local terrorist? Palin was on the TV reporting these facts via NewYork times.
October 5, 2008 8:15 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

further indepth research into this topic after the famous video of obama doing nothing during the national anthem, Obama's campaign staff posted a picture of Obama with his hand over his hart that was taken during the anthem. Im not sure if this was a staged picture due to the flack he has gotten since then. So because of this picture i saw, i will take back what i said about "every time" and i should of said "most of the time". Or i should of said, "every time untill he was nominated by the dem's, and the whole world was watching him." Or i should of said, " every time untill the polls said he should be more Presidental, then he quickly got a picture done with him doing it".
October 5, 2008 8:50 PM
Anonymous said...

AF, while I am glad you can admit your error, your in-depth research should have taken place before you "assured" us that he does this all the time.

As for the flag pin issue, click here if you want to see a picture of republicans Fred Thompson, Tom Tancredo, Mike Huckabee, Sam Brownback, Duncan Hunter and JOHN MCCAIN NOT wearing flag pins on their lapels.

"Republican hopeful John McCain said he doesn’t wear a flag pin on a daily basis."

I'm interested to read your theories on how this was probably some type doctored photo by the left. Really, that the discussion has become hand over the hearts and flag pins shows how desperate the right is at the moment.

Change is coming!!! :-)
October 5, 2008 10:54 PM
Bill Hovanasian said...

Change is coming!!! :-)


Comments like this scares me. This is what the supporters of Hitler were saying in the early 30's.
We live in the greatest country in the world. People should be saying make it better but not "change" it.
We are on the edge of Socialism and this will be the ruin of our America. Please people look and listen, don't get sucked into Obamas trap!
October 6, 2008 5:02 AM
Anonymous said...

More right wing fear mongering. Obama is like Hitler. Pathetic.
October 6, 2008 7:12 AM
MAcciard said...

Here is what I dont like about Obama;

1.) Lack of honesty- he claims he is going to give 95% of taxpayers a tax cut. The truth is that the bottom 47% of taxpayers pay no federal income tax, and he is not "cutting taxes" but giving a one time $1,000 check, similar to the stimulus check which he decried.
2.) His Friends- When you try to assess the character of someone you have just met you look at whos time and company they value. Obama has surrounded himself with people of questionable character. Bill Ayers, Founder of the Weather Underground, who murdered and bombed American targets in the name of socialism. Rev. Wright, a 20 year friendship with a racist preacher, now I understand it gave Barack instant street cred to enter Chicago Politics but that doesn't explain the 20 year friendship, and $54,000 total over the last three years in donations.

3.) Lack of Leadership- Barack has only served 143 days in the US Senate before he began campaigning. He had never held a leadership position. He has never had to make an executive decision. Say what you want about Ms. Palin, but she has been a CEO, of a city, then of the largest state in the Country for 8 years, and she has an 84% job approval rating, much higher than Congress' 9%.

4.) Dichotomy- Obama claims to lower taxes but his new spending proposals will cost $814 Billion over 4 years, where is the money going to come from?
October 6, 2008 7:34 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Ok then, Pin or no pin, that was never the question. But here is a quote from Sarah Palin from last week. How do you explain the hanging out with a terrorist?

“This is not a man who sees America as you see it and how I see America. We see America as the greatest force for good in this world. If we can be that beacon of light and hope for others who seek freedom and democracy and can live in a country that would allow intolerance in the equal rights that again our military men and women fight for and die for for all of us. Our opponent though, is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country?”
October 6, 2008 7:36 AM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

You've drank the Kool-aid. I seen it all before on Fox and heard it all before on Rush.

Dig deeper everyone. Look into how Mark tries to connect Obama as "friends" with Ayers. This is a strech. Mark and AF have a problem carelessly stating opinions as facts.

As a matter of fact, he has a topic he posted in August entitled "Here are some Timberlane FACTS for you." All of which proved to be untrue and when pressed as to how he came up with some of his statements, his response was he employed "justified hyperbole."

Look it up folks.
October 6, 2008 7:50 AM
MAcciard said...

Wow, what a way to twist an argument without responding.

1.) The "justified hyperbole" in my former comment, was in using NECC, as an example of a lower tier school, as opposed to Dartmouth. It was not central to the facts presented, and it is disengenuous of you to dismiss and argument you can not answer because the lower end example stated has an open admission policy. The issue was that Timberlane passes students along the system each year with almost straight "F"'s. These students should be held back, but the school's policy is "they will catch it up next year" as stated to me by Principal Hogan at TRMS.

The point of the comment was that this is unacceptable.

As to the comment in this post to which you are responding, the William Ayers connection is not tenuous.

Ayers introduced Barack to Chicago politics.

Barack's First fundraiser for the Presidency was hosted at Ayers home.

Barack's Co-founding of a non-profit with Ayers, and the subsequent refusal to produce documents regarding it's operations, and funding are suspect at best.

Finally, Barack's campaign runs ads questioning McCain's fitness for the Presidency, based upon his associations with Pres. Bush, and 20 years ago with the Keating Five, given that why is it unfair, or racist, as the Wash. Post claims, to look at Barack's Assoc. with Ayers and Wright? In 1970 Ayers and his wife Dorn declared war on America, and proceeded to bomb Federal building, post offices, and assoc. with anyone with this background is questionable for someone who wants to be President. It would be questionable for McCain, and it is for Obama. The only difference is, that if this were McCain with these friends the media would be crucifying him by now.
October 6, 2008 9:07 AM
MAcciard said...

And you STILL haven't answered the question about Barack's qualifications, legislation, and willingness to stand by his principle's even to the extent of bucking his own party.
October 6, 2008 9:08 AM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

Actually I did answer your question when you posed it in a previous topic. Perhaps you missed it.
October 6, 2008 10:27 AM
Anonymous said...

AF,

It is laughable how you back away from every statement you make once it is challenged and proved untrue.

Does it not matter to you that Sen. Obama was eight years old at the time of Ayer's activities? Do you know that Sen. Obama formally denounced Ayer's activities well over a year ago?

Hey, as Sen. Obama says, when you are "out of touch, running out of ideas, and running out of time," it's what you do.

Keep fiddling while Rome burns boys.
October 6, 2008 12:14 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Back away?
Im sorry you feel that way. I still havn't backed away from the fact that Obama isn't acting as a leader of the free world. Just because he releases staged photo's after he gets flack over the issue of holding his hand over his Unpatriotic hart, that to me makes him a hypocrite. As for me backing off? Your Obama was good friends with a guy whom was in a local terrorist org. I find it hard to believe that person is a reformed terrorist and is a wonderfull person to hang out with. Once a terrorist, always will he be. I don't care if Obama was a sperm when his friend was gaming to kill innocent people. I'm sure your Obama knew about his activities later in life, and if he was a true Patriot, Obama would of kicked him out of his office and never been friends with him.
Besides, i thought you left? I guess your a hypocrite just like your Obama-frienda-terrista
October 6, 2008 1:18 PM
Anonymous said...

Keep writing AF, it's great to watch you make a complete fool of yourself. Staged photos; sperm paling around with his friend. WOW!!! It's a wonder you'll have any credibility left after this!!! And when did I say I was leaving? PROVE IT!!!
October 6, 2008 1:39 PM
Anonymous said...

Back away as in:

From "How can anyone think of electing a person whom does not cover his hart during the national anthem?" to "Ok then, there is no law saying you have to hold your hand over your hart...but it shows respect."

and...

From "I can also assure you that Obama does it every time the anthem is played." to "So because of this picture i saw, i will take back what i said about "every time" and i should of said "most of the time".

and...

From "Turns out that not wearing a flag lapel pin isn't the only way Barack Obama chooses to show he's a different kind of Democrat." to "Ok then, Pin or no pin, that was never the question."

As I said NO CREDIBILITY!!!
October 6, 2008 1:46 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

quote from you...?
"I am giving up on the blog but will check in once in a while to see if things change for the better. Good Luck."
And also, i guess you must not be familar with satire.
A manner of writing that mixes a critical attitude with wit and humor in an effort to improve mankind and human institutions. Ridicule, irony, exaggeration, and several other techniques are almost always present. ...
October 6, 2008 2:31 PM
Anonymous said...

Nope, not me. Someone else.
October 6, 2008 3:00 PM
Anonymous said...

BTW, I am familiar with satire. It's just that...well...let's just say Mark Twain you ain't! :-)
October 6, 2008 3:55 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Ok then ObamaFriendofaterrora supporter..
Let me also inform you that on 9/12/01 Ayers said that he didn't bomb enough enough buildings. Nice comment eh?
The Weather underground fell apart when memvers were killed planting a nail bomb, to kill US soldiers. That is the same person whom is friends with Obamafriendaterrora.

Second
I have never heard Obama "formally denounce" Ayers, find the clip, would love to hear it.

Third
Obamaterrorahangerouta surrounds himself with questionable people, this reflects on his judgment. Denouncing them when you get called on your frienship, does not make it go away. He knew what Ayers was about, and hung out with him anyway, and when it started problems for his campaign, he dumped him just like de did to Wright, and his Grandmother.
This demonstrates Wicked good character, don't ya think?

He also claims that he will give every one a tax cut, but he is not doing anything to their taxes he is giving them a check! Remember, he was against that when Bush did it.
October 6, 2008 4:42 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Ok then, look at this also.

Ayers Was on Woods Fund Board with Obama When He Stepped on Flag
Politics | Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 8:40:39 am PDT

Barack Obama was much older than 8 when William Ayers was photographed stepping on a US flag in 2001, for an article in which Ayers said he had “No Regrets” for his violent actions in the Weather Underground.

In fact, at the same time Ayers was in a Chicago alley desecrating the flag, he and Barack Obama were serving on the board of the Woods Fund together: PolitiFact | Obama served on board with Ayers.

Deborah Harrington, president of the Woods Fund, a philanthropic organization in Chicago, said Obama was a director from 1994 through 2001. That overlaps Ayers’ time as a director by three years. It also means Obama served with Ayers for the final months of 2001, after Ayers made his comments to the New York Times.
October 6, 2008 5:58 PM
Anonymous said...

you should really read this article;

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZjA2ZTllMTQwYTc1MjZkM2U5ZGY3MjFjNzY0MjI0OTQ=
October 6, 2008 8:06 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Good reading, and again here we have another opinion that fits the questions raised by Obama's actions. I thought the end was fitting, here it is.

"Had Obama done and said something similar regarding the sort of radicalism Ayers represents, he would now have an answer to offer. Instead, he has worked with Ayers, supported his causes, and denied any significance to the links between them. That, too, makes this a legitimate question about a man who would be president."
October 6, 2008 9:58 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark and AF;

I notice that both of you have chosen to completely ignore the posts that DETAIL the horrible record Republicans have regarding caring for veterans.

Since McCain is expected to have an even worse record on vets care (he will restrict VA care to those with service connected medical issues), could you please address how someone unwilling to care for the troops deserves to be commander-in-chief?

Or is intellectual cowardice the rule of the day?

BTW, your silence on this issue says more than you will ever know about either of your character, and the fact that your party doesn't really care much about the care of the troops...
October 6, 2008 10:47 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Im still waiting for your informative response to obama's buddies. I have posted plenty for you to respond to. Please do when you stop calling me and mark cowardice of the day people. Your argument is getting sad, and i don't know how you will defend a terrorist, and his friend(obama)
October 6, 2008 11:26 PM
Anonymous said...

From CNN's political ticker:

The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

Get the facts!

The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday's New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.

In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a "domestic terrorist group" by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Obama's Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools' Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.

CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.

The extent of Obama's relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, "This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

The McCain campaign did not respond Saturday to a request for elaboration on Palin's use of the plural "terrorists."

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.
October 7, 2008 2:09 AM
Anonymous said...

AF, here is Obama's quote denouncing Ayer's actions, just in case you missed it:

"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense."

OK Mark and AF, start spinning...
October 7, 2008 2:13 AM
Anonymous said...

From Wiki. Here is some excepts on the National Review, AF's "good reading:"

Criticism

In recent years, some conservatives have criticized NR's policy stances as supporting particular liberal programs and also blindly supporting the free market at the expense of all other principles. They claim it has ceased to be conservative and now simply toes a neoconservative party-line.[5] Also, conservative columnist L. Brent Bozell III criticized the National Review article "Flipping Off the FCC" written by its managing editor Peter Suderman for using faulty evidence against indecency regulation by the Federal Communications Commission.[6]

Jeffery Hart, a longtime NR editor, criticizes the magazine's current crop of writers as being too topical, too ideological, and no longer grounded in serious political philosophy. In his 2005 book, The Making of the American Conservative Mind: National Review and Its Times, he laments the loss of the Eastern Conservatives as a dominant force in the Republican Party (GOP). Hart relays how co-founder James Burnham (a leading theorist), supported Nelson Rockefeller's 1964 presidential campaign. This critical view concludes that National Review turned its back on the Taft and Rockefeller wings of the GOP, abandoning its principles to become a coalition of Southern evangelicals and populists, best exemplified by George W. Bush.

As I said earlier. Consider the source folks! Consider the source!
October 7, 2008 2:17 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Your quote from Obama does not denounce his friends terrorist acts. Also Obama was on the same Board as Ayers for 3 years, this was not a passing by relationship as your quote suggests. Nice try, but keep trying to defend your sinking view.
Now i'm not spining any view here, unlike your spinning around the questions without a concrete answer. Are you a politician?
October 7, 2008 7:49 AM
Anonymous said...

AF,

He called the acts detestable and the quote is from CNN. I did answer all your questions and Mark's questions directly. You just refuse to accept the truth. Pathetic really.

My quotes are from sources like CNN and AP. Yours are all from right wing propaganda sources.
October 7, 2008 8:31 AM
MAcciard said...

To Anon @ 10:47pm,

Wow! I just get a chance to check the blog and find out I am being accused of not caring about Veterans?

Listen, Jackass! I have a Son who just left Baghdad, for Ramadi! I CARE ABOUT VETS! I Am one, how about you?

In fact Neither party has really done anything for vets since Reagan! Both sides use them and their lack of attention to them as a political football during campaign season. It is deplorable. George H.W. Bush was the last president to increase funding for vet affairs. Bush43 tried in 2002, but that was traded for War approval. In 2004, that initiative came back, but was held over till after the election, then was never called back to the floor. It dies in committee.

The FACTS are that while everyone wants to say "I support the Troops" Few do anything concrete to show that support. And the Dems, have just as bad a record as the Repubs on Veterans Affairs, but a FAR worse record on funding ACTIVE DUTY military!

At Least John McCain has been there and done that and knows what the military does. Barack has no clue! I have talked to Marines who were in Afghanistan when Barack visited.I have heard about the quick photo ops, versus the hours spent talking to the grunts on the ground by John McCain, when he came to Iraq.

If you can not show respect to the lowest uniformed soldier, seaman, airman, or marine, than how can you expect to lead them?
October 7, 2008 10:22 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Hey, looky here.... a former drug user, member of radical group ACORN.....the crap keeps getting deeper and deeper for your Obama.
Read this, and please try to tell me why the more i read about this guy, the more i get offended he has gotten this far in the presidental race........And please don't say i spun this article also?

In October the senator talked to a group of magazine editors in Phoenix. The topic came around to his first book, "Dreams From My Father," in which he said he had used marijuana and cocaine. Obama said he had not tried heroin because he did not like the pusher who was trying to sell it to him.

Said the senator later in an interview: "It was reflective of the struggles and confusion of a teenage boy." Usually, when discussing drug use, politicians urge kids and their parents to "Just say no" to drugs. Barack Obama forgot to do so.

(use drop cap here) Soon after he was elected, Obama and his wife Michelle closed on a $1.65 million home. On the same day an adjacent empty lot was sold for $625,000. The new owner then sold Barack a 10-foot strip of the land for $104,500 so he could build a fence.

These transactions would have been met with only raised eyebrows had the purchaser of the empty lot not been Rita Rezko.

Rita's husband is Antoin "Tony" Rezko, an American of Syrian descent and a major fundraiser, not only for Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (whose administration is under federal investigation) but also for Obama, whom he has known for some time.

Tony also is under federal investigation -- for trying to collect millions in kickbacks on government deals. Gov. Blagojevich's wife, Patti, is heavily involved in Rezko's real estate business. And as these stories were breaking, she was telling the FBI that she was a law-abiding citizen who would never do anything wrong.

But a grand jury failed to believe her boss, Tony, when he told them that he, too, was innocent of any wrongdoing: He was indicted, pleaded not guilty to all charges and is awaiting trial.

Obama did no wrong. But he expressed regret. As he told the Chicago Sun-Times: "I misgauged the appearance presented by my purchase." Is he really so oblivious to appearances or the risks of becoming indebted to the wrong people?

(use drop cap here) Our story shifts to Baghdad. Ayham Alsammarae, an American of Iraqi descent who is a Cabinet member and Electricity minister, was jailed and waiting trial on corruption charges. But he escaped jail and claims to be out of Iraq. His whereabouts are unknown. He left with the assistance of "foreigners," according to Iraqi police, who say an earlier escape attempt was assisted by two U.S. security contractors since departed from Iraq.

Alsammarae is a friend of Tony Rezko; the FBI is said to seek information on $2 billion in missing money meant to rebuild Iraq's infrastructure.

But back in Chicago, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) is more important than Iraq or Washington. ACORN and its associated Midwest Academy, both founded in the 1970s, continue to train and mobilize activists throughout the country, often using them to manipulate public opinion through "direct action." It's sometimes a code for illegal activities.

Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person -- meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.

Since he graduated from law school, Obama's work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work.

Today, Barack Obama's conduct and "misgauging appearances" are the responsibility of his Democrat colleagues. In two years, it might be yours and mine.

Dateline D.C. is written by a Washington-based British journalist and political observer.
October 7, 2008 12:05 PM
Anonymous said...

AF,

Dateline D.C. is an editorial column in the Pittsburgh Tribune Review.

From Wiki:

The Trib is generally considered to have a conservative editorial page, contrasting that of their competitor the Post-Gazette which generally has a liberal viewpoint.

Consider the source folks! Consider the source!

Again, I present you with articles from CNN and photo clips from AP. Your response is propaganda, scare mongering, and personal attacks from the right wing blogosphere. Is this the best you can do to try and prove your point? I guess it is...
October 7, 2008 2:10 PM
Anonymous said...

And you think CNN is NOT propaganda? How about the Boston Globe, which is selling Obama Tote Bags on its site? Or MSNBC, whose personalities routinely sing Obama's praises.
October 7, 2008 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...

Does the "slant" of the paper matter if the facts are true?

Lets deal with the facts and leave the spin at the door.
October 7, 2008 2:29 PM
Anonymous said...

The slant absolutely DOES matter. Truths can often be twisted. No doubt, MSNBC is liberal. However, is Fox News really "fair and balanced"?

If you truly want fair and balanced (or at least as close as you will come to it,) visit www.factcheck.org.

Here is an example of a fact that is not true (from factcheck.org):

The McCain-Palin campaign sent reporters a set of "ad facts" to back up its claims. Those "facts" list five different votes that supposedly "cut off funding for the troops in combat." Actually, they all were votes in favor of bringing the troops home and ending combat.

Interesting how the truth is twisted as a fact to support an agenda.

Look, I'll agree the left is just as guilty as the right in the use of this tactic, but there is a far cry from CNN and even The Globe to say, NakedEmporerNews or BraveNewFilms.

Look at my October 3, 2008 4:29 PM post. My problem is not with Obama vs. McCain and who is the better candidate, it is with the careless stating of facts.

Mark, I had this same problem with your posting about Timberlane facts and I challenged you on it. I find this blog very interesting and incredibly useful for monitoring our town politics. However, I always need to double-check anything that is stated as a fact. And yes, I consider source...ALWAYS!
October 7, 2008 2:59 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

You havn't answered the claims about his ties with ACORN, or his Felon Neighbor, his ties with his Cop Killing friend. Consider the source is all you can come up with?
You really have to be kidding me. You must be very one way, or you are just blind to the flood of info i have given you. And you still havn't answered me if you are a politican? Because you snake around the issues just like one.
October 7, 2008 3:16 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Go to the factor and watch and learn how Obama lied to the Canadians...Great way to make good friends eh?
October 7, 2008 3:27 PM
Anonymous said...

WOW. The Atrkinson Factor has become a source of cheap propaganda. I am sure the chief is loving what you've let yourself become.
October 7, 2008 3:30 PM
Anonymous said...

Calling
Ayers acts "detestable" hardly qualifies as a "formal Denouncing" of Ayers.

Try again.
October 7, 2008 4:03 PM
Anonymous said...

AF,


• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN community organizer.
• Fact: Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
• Fact: ACORN was not part of Project Vote, the successful voter registration drive Barack ran in 1992.

source

Rezko - Here is a quote from the article you posted:

Obama did no wrong. But he expressed regret. As he told the Chicago Sun-Times: "I misgauged the appearance presented by my purchase." Is he really so oblivious to appearances or the risks of becoming indebted to the wrong people? The writer is asking a question about Obama's choice of becoming associated with the wrong type of person. However, he states HE HAS DONE NO WRONG. If you want to make a stink about this issue then, as the Obama camp has done, let's question Sen. McCain's relationship with Charles Keating.

"In September 1990, Keating was criminally charged with having duped Lincoln's customers into buying worthless junk bonds of American Continental Corporation; he was convicted in state court in 1992 of fraud, racketeering, and conspiracy and received a 10-year prison sentence. In January 1993, a federal conviction followed, with a 12-and-a-half year sentence. He spent four-and-a-half years in prison, but convictions were eventually overturned. Thereafter, on the eve of the retrial on the federal charges, Keating pleaded guilty to several felony charges in return for a sentence of time served."

As for Ayers, I've already posted information about this. So, simply read my earlier posts.

AF, I've answered all of your questions. I'm interested to read your next pathetic character assassination. What a JOKE you've become.
October 7, 2008 4:05 PM
MAcciard said...

To anon @ 2:59,

I beg to differ,

With my comment on Timberlane, you chose to ignore the facts about social promotion, lack of quality education, low expectations, and chose to focus on NECC having an open admissions policy, in answer to the statement;

"30% of the sophomore class has a GPA that wont get them into NECC"

Which was referring to the FACt that 30% of the Sophomore class had a GPA below 2.0! And this was considered acceptable by the school.

You never addressed any of the issues brought up in the comments.
October 7, 2008 4:15 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

Ugh! The Timberlane issue again. I never addressed any of your comments??? LOL!

Do you remember this?

just for the record that other 30% is also taxes, just not from the Town of Atkinson, but from state and federal sources.

They still came out of our pockets, therefore Mark is not wrong in his approach.

You are not entirely correct. 3.15% is from federal sources, 21.88% is from state sources, and 3.97% is from NON-TAX related sources. Remember our local taxes are generated by property taxes and our contributions from these other state and federal sources would be greatly diluted.

So to review:

1. The $13,000.00/student is, in fact, an overinflated value. This is undeniable.

2. Timberlane does not allow a C+ student to make honor roll. This is undeniable.

3. A student with a 2.1 GPA/C average is in the bottom 1/3 of her class. Does this seem unusual?
October 7, 2008 4:23 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

I appreciate your and your son's service. Unfortunately, like most veterans, you don't know crap about veterans care, which you've made very clear by saying Reagan was the last one who did anything for veterans.

The Bush adminstration has a horrendous record on vets; the Democratic Congress has an incredibly good record. Why don't you read up on something before you pretend to know what you're talking about?

Why don't you start with the GAO Report on how the VA got underfunded, and how the Pentagon (under pressure from Bush) refused to release to the VA the projected casualty numbers, which prevented them from adequately preparing the needed services for those troops? Then you might have a small idea of what's been going on.

This new Democratic Congress has voted in an incredible amount of pro-veterans legislation. Until you know what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't hold forth on a subject you know little about.
October 7, 2008 4:36 PM
Anonymous said...

"Speaking up in defense of Obama on the asbestos issue is Madeleine Talbot, who at the time was a leader at Chicago Acorn. Talbot, we learn, was so impressed by Obama’s organizing skills that she invited him to help train her own staff.

And what exactly was Talbot’s work with Acorn? Talbot turns out to have been a key leader of that attempt by Acorn to storm the Chicago City Council (during a living-wage debate). While Sol Stern mentions this story in passing, the details are worth a look: On July 31, 1997, six people were arrested as 200 Acorn protesters tried to storm the Chicago City Council session. According to the Chicago Daily Herald, Acorn demonstrators pushed over the metal detector and table used to screen visitors, backed police against the doors to the council chamber, and blocked late-arriving aldermen and city staff from entering the session. This is what ACORN terms "direct Action". This is one of the practice Obama trained ACORN activist in."
October 7, 2008 8:30 PM
MAcciard said...

To Anon @ 4:23pm,

This is becoming tiresome to keep repeating, but here it is again;

Timberlane has a $59Million budget for 4600 students(yes these are round numbers because the change does not affect the outcome)

59,000,000/4600= $12,826.00

According to Principal Woodward's handout at last year's parents informational meeting, The current requirement to make honor roll was a 2.8 GPA.

And no a "C" in the bottom third of her class is not unusual, what is unusual is for a student with 3 "F"'s and a "D-" in core subjects to be passed on to the next grade, and when the parents complain to be told by the principal that it is best for the student!

And I didn't bring up the Timberlane issue, you did at the end of your 2:59 comment, sorry.
October 7, 2008 8:40 PM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Take that source from where it came from....Obama's supporter page...Do you think that web site would say anything negative about him? Like you say, take it from the source, Keep talking. your still sinking.
And comparing me to the Chief? You must be a politican, I can feel it.
October 7, 2008 9:26 PM
Anonymous said...

take a look at this

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/07/cnn-obamas-lying-about-william-ayers/
October 7, 2008 10:52 PM
Anonymous said...

Regarding the Timberlane subject; I'll not engage any further.

If anyone is interested in learning more about Mark's fuzzy math and justified hyperbole, feel free to visit the August section of the blog.
October 7, 2008 11:02 PM
Anonymous said...

AF, I didn't compare you to the chief. I said he must be enjoying watching you destroy your own blog and reputation with propaganda videos about Barack Obama and polls about whether Curt Springer should be allowed to post on your blog. So much for free speech!

Gee, I'm glad I post anonymously! I'd hate to be singled out by name on your blog. Or is this just more satire that no one but you seem to get?
October 7, 2008 11:07 PM
Anonymous said...

I am seeing our Freedoms just weather away. We are headed to a socialist world because most of us wants what the "other" guy has and don't want to work for it. It is a damn shame. There is so much political BS and greed that we are drowning in it.
The government running the world economics, telling us that if we can afford health insurance that we "must" have it and if we are just plain lazy get it for free! The well will soon run dry.
I think I know how the Colonist felt before the Revolutionary war.
I do now understand one of the main reason the Democratic party wants to get guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens! I bet England would have loved to do this in the mid 1700's!
October 8, 2008 3:10 AM
Anonymous said...

AF and Mark, here is another very interesting video that is related to the discussion on this blog. I think it very nicely and concisely summarizes your efforts, what are trying to communicate, and to whom your message is intended for. It can be found on this website.

AF, PLEASE consider posting this on your website! It it too important to ignore!!!
October 8, 2008 8:53 AM
Atkinson-Factor said...

Very funny video...
I can agree with you on that.
October 8, 2008 11:55 AM
Anonymous said...

Finally! We agree on something! ;-)
October 8, 2008 5:27 PM
Anonymous said...

To Anon @ 4:05 10/7;

Did you know that "fight the smears" website you quoted as a source, is an Obama campaign website?

They make the statements with the word FACT in front of them, but they never offer any proof.

As you say consider the source!
October 9, 2008 7:00 AM
Anonymous said...

So, using your logic, should we not believe any of the facts stated on McCain's website then?
October 9, 2008 9:35 PM
MAcciard said...

For My Obamaniac Friends, Here is my question;

If Timothy McVeigh got off on a technicality, and was not an english professor at U of Az. and Joh McCain was good friends with him, and launched his political career in his home, started a foundation with him, sat on boards with him, raised millions of dollars with him, Wold that be a disqualifying factor to being Commander in Chief?
October 10, 2008 3:46 PM
Anonymous said...

Free advice for AF and Acciard,

If either of you are serious about the work of this blog in local matters, you might consider finding finding another outlet for your arch-conservative paranoid viewpoints (or just place a link to Bill O'Reilly's site since that's obviously where you find them).

Less Kool-Aid boys, stick to the local issues if you truly care about them, or blow this board up with your assinine views. Either way...
October 10, 2008 4:42 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

There has been some interesting articles on Politico.com talking about the angry mob mentality that is seeping into McCain's rallies. You sound like a member of said mob.

Face it, the Ayers connection is weak and this is nothing more than a desperate move from a campaign and party that can sense, come January, it will (deservedly) be on the outside looking in.

The economy is literally imploding and the best you can do is keep harping about Ayers? Again, tell me your feelings on McCain's relationship with convicted felon Charles Keating? Or, seeing as your are so fiscally responsible, McCain's plans to use our taxpayer dollars to buy up bad mortgages?

Can you imagine if an Atkinson politician proposed such a thing? What would your posts be like?
October 10, 2008 5:01 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

Another question for you; what is your opinion of someone who knowingly associates with a person who violated state ethics and abused their power by having someone fired from their job due to personal issues? Better yet, what does that say of your McCain when they put that person on the ticket as their VP candidate?
October 11, 2008 7:07 AM
Anonymous said...

Bill Hovanasian said...

Change is coming!!! :-)

Comments like this scares me. This is what the supporters of Hitler were saying in the early 30's.

Hey Bill. Do you know "Change Is Coming" is McCain's slogan? So are you frightened of McCain? You should be!
October 11, 2008 8:45 AM
MAcciard said...

For the record, I hate McCains comment about buying up bad mortgages with taxpayer money as much as I did when I heard Biden say it!

Where is the Constitutional authority to do that?

As for you comments about Palin, I believe the report form the State Ethics board, said it was "jaundiced" because it was she that did it, although he deserved to be fired.

Therefore, NO SHE should not have been the one to fire him, but he should have been fired anyway.

As for the Ayers issue, it IS a major issue, because Obama has no track record of accomplishment to look at, therefore his personal associations are reflective of those whose time and company he values. Hanging around with someone who killed cops, and soldiers, and laughed about it, and not only wasn't repentant, but said he wished they did more,is unacceptable!

Again if McCain were friends with Timothy McVeigh, the press and probably you would crucify him.

McCain is not my ideal candidate, but he is closer to it than Obama.
October 11, 2008 10:50 PM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

Regarding Gov. Palin, the report. Since this blog has been devoted to seeing through the BS of Atkinson politics, it is somewhat incredible to me how easily you brush off my question about yesterday's report.

Let's make it local again and switch Sarah Palin with Phil Consentino. And instead of the report being commissioned by the Alaskan legislature, it was commissioned by our BOS. So, the report says PC abused his power, allowed other people below him to press for firing of targeted individual, yet, in the end, was within his rights of his actions and did nothing wrong?

Hmmmm.......
October 12, 2008 7:19 AM
Anonymous said...

Mark,

BTW, Ayers and Obama never "hung around" with each other as you irresponsibly write. And to elaborate, you imply Obama and Ayers are friends who spend free time with each other. They do not.

I wonder how it feels to see another Swiftboat/Willie Horton style attack not working this time? Must be frustrating, eh?
October 12, 2008 7:22 AM
Anonymous said...

but the swift boat ads, and the willie horton ads were true.
October 12, 2008 5:03 PM
Anonymous said...

Let me repeat, I wonder how it feels to see another Swiftboat/Willie Horton style attack not working this time? Must be frustrating, eh?
October 13, 2008 6:31 AM
Anonymous said...

Article submission:

McCain and Palin Are Playing With Fire

By Khaled Hosseini
Washington Post
Sunday, October 12, 2008; B05

I prefer to discuss politics through my novels, but I am truly dismayed these days. Twice last week alone, speakers at McCain-Palin rallies have referred to Sen. Barack Obama, with unveiled scorn, as Barack Hussein Obama.

Never mind that this evokes -- and brazenly tries to resurrect -- the unsavory, cruel days of our past that we thought we had left behind. Never mind that such jeers are deeply offensive to millions of peaceful, law-abiding Muslim Americans who must bear the unveiled charge, made by some supporters of Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, that Obama's middle name makes him someone to distrust -- and, judging by some of the crowd reactions at these rallies, someone to persecute or even kill. As a secular Muslim, I too was offended. Obama's middle name differs from my last name by only two vowels. Does the McCain-Palin campaign view me as a pariah too? Do McCain and Palin think there's something wrong with my name?

But never mind any of that.

The real affront is the lack of firm response from either McCain or Palin. Neither has had the moral courage, when taking the stage, to grasp the microphone, turn to the presenter and, right then and there, denounce the use of Obama's middle name as an insult. Instead, they have simply delivered their stump speeches, lacing into Obama as if nothing out-of-bounds had just happened. The McCain-Palin ticket has given toxic speeches accusing Obama of being a friend of terrorists, then released short, meek repudiations of some of the rough stuff, including McCain's call Friday to "be respectful." Back in February, the Arizona senator apologized for the "disparaging remarks" from a talk-radio host who sneered repeatedly about "Barack Hussein Obama" before a McCain rally. "We will have a respectful debate," McCain insisted afterward. But pretending to douse flames that you are busy fanning does not qualify as straight talk.

What I find most unconscionable is the refusal of the McCain-Palin tandem to publicly condemn the cries of "traitor," "liar," "terrorist" and (worst of all) "kill him!" that could be heard at recent rallies. McCain is perfectly capable of telling hecklers off. But not once did he or his running mate bother to admonish the people yelling these obscene -- and potentially dangerous -- words. They may not have been able to hear the slurs at the rallies, but surely they have had ample time since to get on camera and warn that this sort of ugliness has no place in an election season. But they have not. Simply calling Obama "a decent person" is not enough.

Is inaction tantamount to consent? The McCain campaign certainly thinks so when it comes to Obama and incendiary remarks from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. By their own inaction, then, are McCain and Palin condoning these slurs? Or worse, are they willfully inciting the angry and venomous response that we have been witnessing at their rallies? If not, then what reaction are they hoping to evoke by their relentless public suggestions that Obama is basically an anti-American liar who won't put "country first" and has an affection for terrorists? Do they not understand the kind of fire they are playing with?

I -- and, I suspect, millions of Americans like me, Republicans and Democrats alike -- couldn't care less about Obama's middle name or the ridiculous six-degrees-of-separation game that is the William Ayers non-issue. The Taliban are clawing their way back in Afghanistan, the country that I hope many of my fellow Americans have come to understand better through my novels. People are losing their homes and their jobs and are watching the future slip away from them. But instead of addressing these problems, the McCain-Palin ticket is doing its best to distract Americans by provoking fear, anxiety and hatred. Country first? Hardly.

Khaled Hosseini is the author of "The Kite Runner" and "A Thousand Splendid Suns."
October 13, 2008 6:57 AM

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